During this very long period that my PC went bad, i had the time to do many thing like finishing the PC case mod that i began like two years ago... So i connected the power button, the reset button and the audio controls. The rotary encoder will be used for my next project that will be a gigantic scriptable 8-channel PC fan controller.
Now, regarding the power button, it has a blue LED that light when the HDDs are operating (write or read process). The effect is very cool, but i want to make it cooler. I want the LED to blink when the HDDs are used, and when no Read/Write operation occurs i want the LED to breath. A breathing LED is the effect that the LED turns on and off by fading in and fading out, which gives the feeling of "breathing"...
I do like microcontrollers, but i prefer analog electronics whenever possible. I quickly searched around the internet to get ideas of analog breathing LED circuits, but i did not found something that i liked. So i designed my own pulsing LED circuit with a 555 timer:
The circuit on a breadboard for test
Generally, when we talk about ramps and delays in analog electronics, we talk about the charging and discharging time of a capacitor. So, i began designing the circuit around a big capacitor. The 555 chip is connected as an astable multivibrator. If you put the oscilloscope probe across the capacitor, this is what you will get (click to enlarge):
For me, this is a very cool breathing ramp! So i get this ramp through a decoupling diode and a big resistor to the first transistor current amplifier, to amplify to a usable level without disturbing the charging/discharging process of the 555 chip. Then i further amplify the current with a second transistor amplifier, which finally drives the LED. So simple! Now look the voltage across the capacitor (yellow channel) in comparison to the voltage across the LED (blue channel):
Breath in... Breath out... But how fast? To get the most out of this circuit, i added the D1 diode. This diode allows the 555 timer to achieve duty cycles less than 50% (which normally doesn't). Moreover, i added 2 different potentiometers. The R2 potentiometer adjusts the fade-in time, and the R3 potentiometer the fade-out time. So, you may adjust the circuit to act as a breathing LED, or as a flash-in fade-out LED, or as a fade-in flash-out LED.
Finally, something about the LED voltage and current. Different LEDs require different forward voltages and draws different current. You may need to change the value of R5 to change the voltage across the LED and R6 to change the current.
hy guys i had made same circuit but the LED high for a moment then it become off , when i give it supply again then it not work, after 3 second it removing supply.. giving supply again it do the same thing high for a moment and then off ,,,, kindly guide me plx...
@Kevin I would use 5,9 or 12v. then use appropriate resistor @R6 for the Led. this is a handy online Calculator for this;
I would get a bread board to test it out with. R5 seems to change drastically w/ different LED's and voltages.( check NOV 10 for Sam Fischer's post) I used a 1k potentiometer to figure out the exact R value for R5. when you have it working put a meter on the "Pot" to see what you came up with. then replace the pot w/ that R resistor to make sure you have it right. Battery's: Radio shack has a lot of small ones w/ different V.
I'm looking to make this circuit (or something similar) for my family for Xmas (am going to have a custom PCB made for them), but this will be my first "circuit" that I create that doesn't involve arduino (I'm new in general to electronics).
Anyway, my question is, is this circuit something that could be powered by a battery of some sort? Ideally I was thinking of using a watch cell, but somebody asked earlier I believe about using a 3V battery and the word is that it's not powerful enough?
My Goal is to make a nice, tight looking pcb with an on/off switch and a "breathing" blue LED.
@DragonWire well, this is not exactly an "elegant" way to solve your issue, but if it works then i'm happy! Enjoy!
Nevertheless, you can still work on the previous circuit, add or remove an inverting transistor before your fet, and get the same result with a more professional way. I know that polarizing a fet is a headache (to work on the linear area of the FET)... but... you know... It is the sauce on the hotdog...
@Giorgos Lazaridis Whoo hoo!!!.. found your post "LED Fade-In Fade-Out Dimmer" I just built a test on the V rail to power a single bulb. with THIS curcuit running the V- rail through a N-fet. Works great. I'll use the (BD243 power transistor)running about 25 20ma 5mm greens on the V rail feeding the Leds. The (470uf C 35v)I have was a Really a slow fade up. I tried a (16v 100uf)I had, a little faster than I want. I'm going to get a 200uf to try out also. I pan on using the "LED Fade-In Fade-Out Dimmer" for another feature of the sculpture.
@Giorgos Lazaridis Uggg well I tried #2 and #3 suggestion. neither seems to work for me. even tried switching the new PNP-T around in case I had it in backwards. Bulb comes on full at power up no matter what I do. And the additions had it not fading at all, even after playing w/ resistor values.
I didn't try #1 ( "with gain=1 between T1 and T2") total noob not sure what than means or what to connect to what.In theory these SHOULD work. I read about what a PNP does. my test board is running to a Led, and through a fet to a bulb. having no success with either bulb. Am planing on having an Arduino to time control lots of kit controllers. for other things going on on my sculpture. So maybe a pmw output to a fet then possibly a bridge rectifier to slow start the V if a rectifier will work that way. but I do have your curcuit working great, other than it comes on full blast when I switch it on.
@dragonwire During startup, the capacitor C1 i discharged, T1 inverts this signal so at startup it is fully HIGH, and so does the T2 which is emitter follower. You need to do one of the followings:
1. add another inverting transistor with gain=1 between T1 and T2
2. add another inverting transistor after T2
3. Replace T1 or T2 with a PNP
one of the above will invert the output signal, so it will start from LOW when turned off.
@Giorgos Lazaridis Yes Fet is after T w/ a pot between as I said. When I remove T2 I just get a steady on. What I looking for is something I can put on the V That heads directly to the Lights that I can separate from your fading circuit that will gradually go from 0-5 volts. something like a soft start circuit. Or a way to have your curcuit start at Low when power in turned on so it Fades slowly up first. I have spent a while online looking for this, all I can find is Soft start motor controllers, or converters. Maybe there is some IC out there that has a PMW function ? use a Fet and rectifier. But I'm so Jazzed I got your circuit to work at all. It took a lot of trial and error to get it working right. Right now I have 2 4.7k R in place of your Pots. I tried it with several variations all working well now.
@Giorgos Lazaridis Love this thank you so much. I've worked this out to use w/ a N channel MosFet. I have a 10k pot after (T2)about 5k seems to work best, then to Fet. To power several Leds that are pre-wired w/ a R and have V directly to them. the circuit is controlling V- I already had the Led's in place. The R5 worked out to be 390. though I am going to make 16 of these and plan on having a 1k pot for R5 for fine tuning each. And in place of your 2 Pot's varying R from 4.7 to 15K so they all fade in and out at different times. My only problem now is it starts at full power. Do you have any idea's how to have the Common V slow start, so when power is turned on the system fades slowly on, then power off fades out. I'd need to control this from the V rail I imagine, but maybe not.I have 24 green Leds total on that rail @20ma so it's less than 1/2 amp @ 5v. It's for the body of a Dragon sculpture. I do have the fading set so they don't go fully off either. Very cool effect.
How can I make a fake alarm 1 LED with adjustable flash rate using potentiometers so that it doesn't flash fast and look so fake. I would really appreciate if you could help me with a simple circuit to diy.
I'm a prop maker in Los Angeles. I have no circuitry experience & a short time frame.
Would someone be willing to make a few of these adjustable pulsing circuits for me, at a reasonable cost? I need one right away for a light box sign with LED's. And I would want a few more down the road for both low voltage LED's & 110v.
Ok, i've just made a new LED breathing circuit with variable output. It operates at 12 volts and can control any LED that operates from 12V and bellow (tested also with 21W 12V incandescence lamp and worked).
@vimal R6 has only to do with your LEDs, so you need to change R6 only if you change LEDs. As for the transistor, since it is am emitter follower, a darlington will work better than a simple transistor.
As an add-on to my last post, I forgot to thank the author Kammenos. This schematic helped me figure out what to put where. Initially it did not work, but I was also using different transistors so I did not expect it to work on the first try.
I used 2x 3904 NPN transistors (instead of a bc337 & 2n2222)
'C1' I used 2 470 uF caps in parallel
'R5' I used a 420 ohm resistor
'R6' I used a 100 ohm resistor (but this will change depending on the current requirements of the LED and the Vsat of the transistor)
With this I get a nice smooth fade around 3 seconds off to off (longer with higher 'C1' value) and a quick blink if I adjust the 10k pots the other way.
I am trying to make a similar circuit but I cannot get it to work. the led just stays on and does not fade on and off. The only thing I can think of is I am using 1/8 watt resistors and not 1/4 watt. Here is the link to what I want to build http://www.instructables.com/id/ThrobbingFading-LED-with-555-Timer/ . Also does the voltage of the capacitor matter? Thank you.
YUP that Yenka simulation software is amazing as usual! I built the original circuit with these modifications and it works perfectly!! R2= 100k , R3= 100K, C1= 100uf, R4=110K, R5=3K. The only reason I changed the pots was because I didnt have spare 10K pots so the original 10k values with the 470uf cap should work the same. Its resistor R4 & R5 that made the difference for me.
I was having problems with this circuit so I decided to draw it out in the Yenka simulation software. Same issues until I starting varying the resistor values R4 & R5. Right now I have R4=120K & R5= 3K its working great now! Seems to be finiky matches these values to your LED then once this is working using the pots to vary the dimming seem to work as seen in the video, at least through the software. I'll try it on the breadboard soon.
@Jayson i'm working hard and intensive to get it right and get it fast. I do not want to be "yet another transistor theory". I get knowledge from 3 different books and i have email conversation with a transistor manufacturer to make something nice. It will take me some more time, because this weekend i could not work, and this week may be hard as well.
@Jayson something like that, but not exactly. The second transistor will not work exactly as an amplifier. The output of T1 may be around 5 and 9 volts (these values are not be real, just an example). The intermediate transistor has to change these numbers to the min and max voltage that your LEDs need to operate (for min and max brightness). That could be 5 to 12 volts or something different. An oscilloscope would be a great help for you at that point.
I have just began (today) re-writing the transistor theory that i already have in my site. The new theory will have more than 4 pages and it will explain in details how you can calculate and design the most commonly used transistor amplifiers. One of the chapters is the type of amplifier that you need here. Maybe this will help.
Are you suggesting to build a Darlington pair with T1 C to T3 B, T3 E to T2 B and T3 C + R to Source? If so I will try tonight. Obviously this problem would be easier to handle with a PIC but what fun would that be :-).
@Jayson the easiest solution is to add a 3rd transistor between t1 and t2. T2 works as a voltage follower, which means that it will output the same voltage as it receives at its base, it cannot scale the voltage. T1 operates as an amplifier, the output voltage depends on the current of the base and R5. You could add some potentiometers to try and scale the t1 output, but it is kinda difficult. I suggest you add a transistor in between to scale the voltages. I cannot suggest you which resistors to use because you have to find yourself.
I'm unfamiliar with transistor polarization. If you have a extra moment would you explain it?
I had no luck with add a resistor/pot(100k) to the right side of R4. In fact when connected to base of T1 it disabled the Leds.
The voltage divider did work to help bring up the brightness a bit but did nothing for the min light level.
I experimented more with changing the values of R1, R4 and R6 with no luck. Would I have better luck using a power transistor, a 3rd transistor or possibly a op-amp?
Again thanks for your time and help with this. I hope to have this working in the near future.
@Jayson the whole problem is at the polarization of the first transistor. It is calculated for 5V. The 555 has nothing to do wit the LEDs, and nothing can change on the 555 side to work better. If the MAX brightness is ok but the MIN is not, then you have to pull the base of the transistor to positive a little bit.
So, next step is to add a resistor from the right side of R4 to +12V. The resistor must be very large, larger than 47K. To save time, i recommend you use a potentiometer with a resistor. The pot is 100K and the resistor 33K (together make 133K). Connect the left pin of the potentiometer to the 12V. then connect one side of the resistor to the mid connector of the pot, and the other side goes to the right side of R4 (at the base of T1). Rotate the potentiometer to both sides and tell me what happens.
If this does not work, then you have to polarize the transistor with a voltage divider, like Fabio did (previous comments) and worked.
i've resolved! since it is a problem with T1 polarization i've made a really simple voltage divider adding a 33k resistor from T1 base to ground. now it work pretty well. I hope it will be usefull for other people! enjoy this circuit!
Thanks for the quick response. To clarify my technical issue at 12VDC the led's are bright. At 12VDC the problem is the Led's do not fade to off or nearly off. They simply dim and then fade to bright. I suppose my voltage is not getting low enough to turn them off. To be honest Iím a little stuck on what to do next. Is it possible the duty cycle of IC 555 is too fast for 12VDC?
@Jayson To tell you the truth, this is not going to be very easy. I have not test the circuit with 12 volts, but i know that you will need to add an additional transistor between T1 and T2 to scale the voltage to the desired level. This circuit works fine for 5V because there is no much scaling to do for an LED, as the voltage across the capacitor is pulsing between 2 and 3.5 volts, perfect for the LED.
After the complaints regarding this circuit, i remade it following the posted schematic. At first, the same error happened to me! So, i watched the video to find a close shot of the circuit. it is here:
So, i made the changes according to what i see from the video and worked. Then, i redraw the schematic and guess what! It was exactly the same as the one i have already post! Most probably i made the same mistake that most do: Put the diode D1 wrong! Make sure that the strip of the diode (cathode) is facing pin #6 of the 555. If the strip faces pin#7 then he LED will flash instantly on and then fade out.
Please check your connections. If necessary use the forum to post images (close and clear) from your breadboards to see. If there is indeed a mistake in the schematic, please let me know to fix it.
I just tried to register on to the forum so I can post some pictures I took of my setup on this project but I did not get my acctivation email,tried resending a couple of times to no avail.My email adress is current and working fine.Any thoughts on how to fix this?
First I would like to thank you for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us. Like the others I have built the circuit and are experiencing some technical difficulties with the LED of choice. I am using two segments of a strip led. They are 12 VDC, 300mA and have their own resistor per 3 led light segments.
The problem that I face is that I can get the breathing to work at 9VDC but I had to change C1 to 100uF, Both POT are 100K , R5 2.2K, T1 is MPS2222A and the IC is NE555P. With these values and at 9VDC it doesnít dim completely and doesnít get bright enough. When another 3 VDC is added to the circuit the breathing effect is barely noticeable. I have tried different combinations of resistors and capacitors and have no luck.
I realize that my pots could be to large but it should only effect the fading times and not the brightness. Correct?
Any ideas on what I should do to have the circuit work as yours but only at 12VDC?
hi guys! i've just realized this circuit but have a small problem like others, my led suddenly get on and slowly dimmer off but for only one time? can be a mistake with the schematic posted? all my components are new and i've realized it on pcb.
I built your circuit last night and can't get it to work.I have the same problem as Fung had just one flash.If I disconnect and connect the power multiple times in a row the led slowly gets dimmer and dimmer and then finnaly stops lighting even with the power still connected.All the components are new and I followed the circuit diagram and put the components on the breadboard as shown in the pictures.Any help you can give me would be great.
I want to use this for a 12V led lamp which is build to replace a 12V halogen lamp. The led is 12V and 1W.
There is elektronics in the led which makes it run on normal 12V halogen transformer and also dimmable.
How can I change this schematic to power this led bulb?
Do I for example need to add a fet or something?
I need all to work on 12V dc power.
Thanks for your help.
(I also need a small motion sensor (the one with a spring inside which act as a switch) to power this on and a timer to power it off after for example 1 minute without motion. Could I use the same 555 for this, with an separate C and R?)
I tested this circuit on breadboard referring to the circuit diagram above, it is found that the LED has been flashed once and no breathing effect is observed, I have checked the routes are correct, where is the problem and why?
@Fung when C1 decreases, then you must increase R1 R2 R3, but the effect will not be the same. You need to make several tests to achieve a nice breathing effect.
There is no allowed range for C1. If you decrease the capacitor to 100uF for example, then you have a flashing rate x4 which is very fast. It all depends on what you ask for. You may then consider using 100K potentiometers or even 500K.
What a good circuit, however I am going to know about the output of the timer because it is not used in this circuit. What is the expected output pattern at the output of the timer? Just the normal square waves?